November 9, 2004

These numbers don't add up

Posted by tomo at 09:00 AM in politics . | 8 Comments

There have been numerous different cases of voting machines miscounting votes. Was there some systematic flaw or hacking in certain types of voting machines in Florida that caused such an improbably number of votes to be cast for Bush that were really cast for Kerry? Not having a way to recount votes is pretty fucked up.


 

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Nice excuse.

Bush couldn't have possibly really won, right? It only took a week for the excuses to start circulating. Glad to see the media doing their job!!

Posted by: Dude at November 9, 2004 10:40 AM

When did it become an "excuse" to want a fair election? Isn't that kind of, ya know, the basis of democracy and a whole bunch of Constitutional amendments? It's in everyone's best interest to make sure as many votes are counted as humanly possible. That's why voter fraud (including vote tampering and intimidation) in all its many forms is a felony.

Posted by: Emily at November 9, 2004 10:55 AM

I'm not really sure how you could ever have a 100% fair and accurate election when we are talking about 100+ million voters.

I would have to think that our current elections are the most accurate they have ever been. Yeah, maybe a couple thousand votes got lost here and there (and on both sides, its not just all republican votes), but votes getting lost is certainly nothing new, and I really think it is much harder to cheat these days. In the old days big sacks of votes probobly fell off trucks and got lost quite a bit in crucial states.

I am a bit sketched out by electronic voting because there is no paper trail. Some sort of voting receipt should be printed so that the voter can check over it, ensure its correctness, and then submit it so that there is a hard copy of each vote in case of any problems.

Posted by: ryan at November 9, 2004 11:23 AM

I think its funny that less care is taken to voting then to credit card transactions. Even when I make a 1$ transaction there is direct communication to central networks, multiple paper trails, signatures, everything.

Maybe we should vote by buying a 1 cent vote with our credit card at any walmart.

Posted by: Dan at November 9, 2004 12:11 PM

Hmm. You have a good point there.

Posted by: ryan at November 9, 2004 12:29 PM

It's easy to not care about America's democratic process when your guy wins.. I still haven't seen anyone explain away these discrepancies. Is it that much to ask to strive for 100% accuracy? Not at all.

Maybe in the old days trucks of votes got lost. I don't know if that's the way major discrepancies happened in the past. But if so, it should have been easy to tell that a chunk of votes were missing, which isn't the case at all here. So I don't see how that shows that accuracy is at an all time high and I think it's just as easy and probably easier to cheat now than it was in the past. We have no idea what this election's accuracy is and as of recent times, we have no way of recounting votes to get at an answer. It's not a problem of what is technically possible, it was choosing a deficient technology. And there was a huge outcry about this long before the election happened and the winner was decided and nothing was done, except for the minority of voters who took it into their own hands to vote absentee.

Posted by: agent1073 at November 9, 2004 4:03 PM

You guys are right, it's worth caring about. I shouldn't have implied it wasn't. Just make sure it's an honest concern about fairness, and that you would have the same concern if the results were reversed.

I don't like the electronic voting either...it makes me nervous.

Posted by: Dude at November 10, 2004 11:59 AM

Tomo: why do you think a chunk of votes could go missing these days? Did you not have to sign a register when you went to vote? For each signature there should be an equal number of votes from that polling place...

Posted by: ryan at November 10, 2004 12:25 PM